Francis Weller is a psychotherapist and author of The Wild Edge Of Sorrow: Rituals Of Renewal And The Sacred Work Of Grief. In this episode we talk about the Five Gates Of Grief, men's circles, patriarchy and our infatuation with mythopoetic white men at the mic.

We also welcome back my husband for a "Rubenation" where he tells about his experience in a program for men about learning how to make friends as an adult male.

Also in this episode, I share the promo code provided by our sponsor Hollyhock to get a 15% discount on all meals + accommodations packages in 2020!

Resources cited in this episode include:

Joanna Macy Toward Psychologies of Liberation, Helene Schulman Carolyn Baker Finding Beauty In A Broken World, Terry Tempest Williams Jeannette Armstrong, Okanagan wisdom keeper and elder

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